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Erik Schirmer

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I have a question on which Gaelfoce EMT multi tip line to get for my Burkheimer 7139-4.  I am currently using the Rio Short Spey 7/8 520gr, which is a multi-tip line and it cast great.  Alas, it is wearing out and I need a new line.  The burky is rated for lines up to 570 grains, and Burkheimer suggest 510 for Skagit lines. 

Model       Length      Line Weight      Grain Window     Skagit   Scandi     Integrated

7139-4     13' 9"       6/7/8               420-570             510       450         7/8

The Equalizer appears to be an integrated long Skagit type line and the Rio is similar but a bit longer yet.  The EMT 7/8 appears to be light and the 8/9 appears to be heavy.  I prefer to be on the heavy side because it slows my cast stroke down but is the 8/9 too heavy to cast well?  The rod is a strong rod though and my gut tells me go with the heavier line.  But the $200 question is which line?

Equalizer Multi Tip 7/8# (Inc tip) 32 grams 493 grains 34ft /10.35m

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Equalizer Multi Tip 8/9# (Inc tip) 36 grams 550 grains 40ft /12.19m

Any comments or shared experiences are very much appreciated.


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OK, after more research into the EMT multi tip I realized that it is not an integrated line, it attaches to the running/shooting line with a loop just like the Skagit lines. Sorry to post in ignorance but the question is still pertinent.  I would like to hear from people whom have used these lines.
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You should keep in mind that the EMT listed weights include the weight of the tip, The 550 grain weight 8/9 includes the 15’ tip. The Burkie suggested 510 Skagit would be the Skagit head only, the weight of the tip is not included. While I don’t have either the rod you have nor the EMT, I think the 8/9 EMT would be the best. Others may chime in with their own thoughts.
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You should keep in mind that the EMT listed weights include the weight of the tip, The 550 grain weight 8/9 includes the 15’ tip. The Burkie suggested 510 Skagit would be the Skagit head only, the weight of the tip is not included. While I don’t have either the rod you have nor the EMT, I think the 8/9 EMT would be the best. Others may chime in with their own thoughts.


My thinking exactly. The 15' tip weighs in at 150 grains I do believe. That would be the same as a 25" 400gr Skagit with a 10w tip.  (Rio's 10w tip is 150gr) In theory I would cast a 510gr Skagit head with the 15' 95gr (7w) or 109gr (8w) tip for a total of 605gr to 619gr.  The Rio Short Spey 7/8 is 520gr including the 95gr tip. Its a 29' 425gr head. (Now my head is spinning) he he he.  I am sure line design, casting technique and other things play into this.  thank you for the input, but I would like to also hear if anyone has experience with these lines because they do seem a bit unconventional.

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I think as you point out, line design is key here.  With typical skagit lines, you are buying a head, and then using generic tips of a weight more or less compatible with the head you have purchased.  With the Gaelforce lines, they are designed from scratch with heads and tips optimized for each other, so there is more involved than just weight.  At least that is what the "Equalizer" concept seems to be.  Another way of looking at it is that the head and tip are together the overall line, rather than two separate components (hope that makes sense).  Enough people tout the virtues of these lines that there must be something to it.  As with Nextcast, with Gaelforce you need to consider aspects of the lines other than just grain weight to find a line that sings with the rod you're using.  Hopefully others who have actually used the lines will chime in with thoughts.
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A Gaelforce 54 UK rated 8/9 (523grns) will match your rod very well. We routinely chop them and loop them for tips @ 15'. While that line doesn't come with sinktips most people already have several and don't need anymore. I've got a demo if you'd like to take a no obligation but the return postage test drive.
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Thank you Poppy, I have already taken advantage of your offer and the Gaelforce line is excellent.  But I am planning a trip to the Olympic Peninsula where they throw half chickens with heavy tips on small rivers for Salmon and Steelhead. I will want more of a skagit type line for the OP. You know, just adding to the arsenal.  
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I agree completely. For throwing anchor chain sized tips and dead chickens nothing beats a skagit head. Almost all the major lines companies make them and as far as I'm concerned one works just as well as the next brand. I hope you catch a BIG one out there. 
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