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DaveEvans

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Curious how much people move their top hand up or down on the grip depending upon the line, rod, or situation.  What is your starting point for your top hand?  Reason I ask is that I have had my top hand at the top of the grip but was having trouble with some lines.  A friend said I was using too much top hand. I brought my top hand down a few inches and seem to be zinging them out there now (knock on wood!).  
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For me the shorter the rod the closer my hands are.  No particular specifics other than that.  It's working for you, so that's good.
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The closer your top hand is to the reel (or lower on the grip) the the more power you will have. I got that from an instructor. I think it creates more fulcrum.
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Long through actioned rods designed to cast long head lines need a wider grip both for leverage (remember this isn't about 2 or 3 minutes of competition casting but 8 - 12 hours worth fishing a full day) & to facilitate the much longer stroke where the rod is taken back further with more body rotation & a longer "push / pull" casting stroke where both hands are used.
Shorter rods, particularly with Scandi style casts, require a short grip where the top hand is maybe in the middle of the handle & acts as a fulcrum & the bottom hand provides the back-cast (D or V loop formation) & the sharp pull back to power the forward cast.
Head lengths in the middle, short / medium Spey lines, require something of a combination of the two, the exact mix depending upon rod/ head length (& to an extent weight as casting an 11 wt all day is more tiring than a 7 wt, so a slightly wider grip can help reduce tiredness by utilizing more muscle groups in the cast), casting style, physical strength & stamina & the proficiency of the caster.
I often start out with a narrow grip & very precise casting stroke, but as I get tired through the day I find that my grip opens out a little & I use additional input from the top hand with a longer stroke which is less critical of timing mistakes.

Of course, that's me; other better casters can no doubt remain precise & neat, they also probably don't get those late in the day tailing loops or swear as much as me either!

Regards, Jon.
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I appreciate the responses!  Learning a lot.
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I like what Jon said. Makes sense.
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Where you place your top hand is also relevant to where you hold your bottom hand some people hold the hand right by the reel and others cup the bottom grip.......ideally you should have the hands your shoulders width apart.  The feeling that you get with lowering your top hand on the grip might be that you are in effect lessening the effect of the top hand over the casting movements as the lower you go the less leverage you have with the top hand to dominate the cast but will in no way make the cast more powerful than if your hands are spread properly, there are of course exceptions such as short lines and rods.  A couple of tricks to help with your top hand dominance and still have proper leverage on the rod is to hold the top cork in two fingers with the remaining fingers curled into your hand away from the grip or to choke up on the bottom grip and hold the rod blank itself just above the top cork......these two tricks work wonders for making you use the bottom hand thru the whole cast and helping you to get the feeling of bottom hand dominance rather than top hand
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Aren't there now and/or have been in the past some really great top hand dominant casters?

Why can't one forget all the top hand this, bottom hand this/that and just go cast/fish?

It seems that there is so much "lingo" being spread around on the net that many aspiring two hand casters are completely bewildered in trying to decide what they should/should not be doing.

This doesn't just apply to hand placement but everything connected the tackle/fishing business.

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Poppy

Complicating everything is what makes it fun

Seriously it has been and always will be fish what works for you

Enjoy the ride

Pure and simple
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There are no rules. Rods are different same as the fly lines.
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I guess all that really matters is that you can some amount of line out and your fly is fishing. Even an ugly cast can catch a fish [smile]


I know I sometimes have an issue using to much top hand. I did at one point bring my top hand down close to the reel and it seemed like I could feel the rod load better.
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Indeed, Poppy, there are some really good 'top-hand' dominant casters (and great fishermen). "G. O." comes to mind.
Use whatever works.

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