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roland trevino

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For someone facing river right, are there any casts other than Snake Roll and Double Spey you would recommend for me to learn?  Thanks
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A single spey with your left hand up isnt a bad cast to learn when the breeze is pushing up stream, took me a while to learn the angle change with my non dominant. Be sure you tie a piece of yarn on rather than a hook, it wont hurt as much when you tie yourself up.

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  I am assuming you mean you are standing on river right?  I'm a little confused by saying you are "facing river right" as that's the bank I would be facing when I'm standing on river left?  

Depending on what kind of line you're swinging, you could also just opt to use any old cast backhanded too.  For shorter heads I'm not really so sure that it matters that much, longer lines are a little different.  Further assuming here, but from the question it sounds like you're still developing your casting options?  If so then I would say that it makes good sense to learn as many as you can, along with variations; ideally both left and right hand up.

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One of my favorite casts is the reverse snap-t.  It has saved the day on many occasions when there has been an upstream wind. 

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roland trevino

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Thanks!  I am starting to see how they all really have utility - just kind of depends on the circumstances of the cast.

What is a double snake roll cast?

and does the voodoo cast serve any purpose, or is it just for show?
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if you want to keep the anchor on your downstream side another good cast is the downstream perry poke
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Hi Roland,

Assuming you are right-hand dominant, you might want to experiment with trying to develop a workable, single-spey with your dominant (right) hand up, first.   Then, for river right (with upstream wind), you could play with a cack-handed single (as demonstrated by Rich Zellman) in this video:

http://www.steelheadwater.com/video/

In the video on the right, "Kind of a Big Deal", Rich, shows how it's done.  Plus, it's a fun video to watch for any reason.

(There are several advantages to using cack-handed, versus "normal", casts from time-to-time.)

Have fun.


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Devils advocate Jim.....what are these advantages that you speak of cack handing the left single?
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I'll play...the advantage for cacking the left single is because you simply can't do it 'correctly' and wanna fish!  I resemble those remarks as my LH up single is way too inconsistent.  And way harder to accomplish when trying to avoid the canopy.  That said the cast looks terrible and, well, all 'cacked' up!  If you do the cast well and get correct turnover the fish don't care.  Otherwise, regardless of the wind, one can move their anchors and loop placement around with the snake and double and avoid the backside obstruction.  But those casts don't look clean either.  They are fishing casts.  Same as the snap crackle pokes n cacks.  It only took me 15 years to get even marginally effective with my LH up snake and doubles...might take another 15 years to get my LH up single up to snuff.  

Jim spent several hours re-working my RH single the other day out on the lake.  And how to get proper alignment with stance/hip rotation and weight transfer, not the shoulder rotation/arm casting I normally use.  Let alone lift!  Yikes its hard for an auld dog to learn new tricks.  Amazing how the rod loads butt to tip [biggrin] ! Plenty to work on come spring, especially applying the same movements to my LH up single!  Amazed how much more EFFORTLESS power one can get into their cast (even when just FLICKING it out there for a simple 60' fishing cast with a scandi head) by shifting your weight to the back leg on the rotation.  This technique also seem to eliminate most pressures on the shoulders and elbows as all the power comes from the trunk and legs.

Much fun and plenty more to play with...

      
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And if from the very start you had just started with left hand up William how much further ahead would you have been???
I know personally I wish that I had!

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from a fishing stand point all that matters is that you can do an upstream should cast and a downstream should cast effectively from both sides of the river. 

pick one upstream cast and one downstream cast and learn from both sides. otherwise you will find situations where you cannot get the fly to the fish.

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Probably so Bruce, it isn't for a lack of trying in the beginning.  Just didn't mesh.  Still doesn't.  I hate cack casts, always have.  Only use them when I absolutely must.  Preferred doubles and snakes and one of these days I would like to add that LH single for it would make the day more enjoyable on those upstream breeze days from the right bank...that is for sure!  Just like being able to cast LH up from the left bank. 
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  I too have trouble switching hands, although I do for a variety of reasons.  Mostly I just like to have as many options available to me to cover all the situations.  As I said earlier though, with a shorter line I really fail to see much difference casting back/cack handed.  I think there are much more limiting factors that come into play before any of the subtle issues of casting off my weaker shoulder ever will.  My wife actually casts better, considerably so, cackhanded; not that I'm going to say a thing about it to her though!  One possible advantage I can see for casting cackhanded is that once the cast is out I don't have to switch hands, as I always prefer to fish with my right arm if possible.  
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Hey Bruce,

First, I think we'd agree that a cack-handed cast is NOT for longer rods or long-belly lines. (Especially for those with possible rotator cuff issues).  Also, a cack will never be as effective as a good LH up single.
That said, some advantages might be:
  • Ease. Just from a coordination standpoint, most beginners are able to do a cack-handed cast well before they can do a single. Get it out there and fish!
  • No need to switch hands before & after a cast. Some folks (like me) just don't feel comfortable handling, mending & managing line, working a fish, with weak (L) hand on top.
  • Maybe a little faster (not switching hands)?
And yes, however you get the line out there is all that matters. But there are a lot of us OCD/ADD types that enjoy the grace, beauty and power of a well-executed cast, however it's done.



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I'm with you, Bruce. I wish I had started with LH up much earlier. I actually thought I would never be able to do it.
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