Poppy's Spey Casting Forum
Sign up Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
DaveEvans

Avatar / Picture

Senior Member
Registered:
Posts: 109
Reply with quote  #1 
Hey everyone,

I am starting to get arthritis in my shoulder and it was causing some real pain last year when I was casting.  I have seen the old threads on the other site and it seems most recommend going to a shorter line for a more compact stroke during the cast.  I really like the 50-55' heads I am using, so could I go to a longer rod for the same effect?  Example, say I am using a 14' rod with a 55' foot head, instead of going to a scandi, just go up to a 15' rod?  

Dave
AJ Morris

Avatar / Picture

Senior Member
Registered:
Posts: 129
Reply with quote  #2 
Hey Dave, there is no law that says you can't utilize an underhand cast with the set up you already have...


__________________
"...the more I see the less I know..."
Bruce Kruk

Avatar / Picture

Senior Member
Registered:
Posts: 360
Reply with quote  #3 
Dave....I would get some instruction just to make sure you are doing things ergonomically but yes theoretically if you are making the movements right moving that line will be childs play with a longer rod
__________________
Bruce Kruk
Team Gaelforce
Speyed trout guide on the upper Columbia
Graham Hill

Member
Registered:
Posts: 78
Reply with quote  #4 
I too have shoulder problems and I have gone to shorter rods for my underhand casting.  If you watch Goran Andersson's video, you will notice that his upper right arm is glued to his body.  That is what I noticed.  All the power comes from rod and body movement and the right shoulder hardly moves.  I can fish all day without any pain or further damage to my right shoulder.  My 14' and 15' rods stay at home and I use my 12'6" Loop and Guideline rods instead.
DaveEvans

Avatar / Picture

Senior Member
Registered:
Posts: 109
Reply with quote  #5 
AJ, Bruce, Graham,  thanks for your comments and suggestions.  Bruce, I have been using the Gaelforce shooting head on a 7wt of mine, and the 54' equalizer on an 8wt.  Love both lines.  Will try a shooting head on the 8wt.  Will see Poppy at NIFFE in a few weeks.  Also talked to someone about a tune-up lesson.  Thanks again, Dave
Rick Jorgensen

Avatar / Picture

Senior Member
Registered:
Posts: 142
Reply with quote  #6 
longer rods have a bigger fulcrum effect. I have more problems with my Scott ARC 1509 even with relatively short lines in the 40' range where I can still utilize a compact stroke. So it does not come out much. I typically use 13' and shorter rods
Brian Colin

Junior Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #7 
Having been pulled around paddocks by young large horses when breaking them, I have pretty bad shoulder and arm joints.   These are worse as the result of using a 16' spliced Greenheart rod and stuff shafted golf clubs!   A recent scan shows a burial enlargement in my right shoulder and poor tendon ends in my left.   Having had open heart surgery exactly a year ago I have not fished since 2017.   I had already moved away from long rods (15'and 16' were my standard lengths).   My favourite is a Burkheimer 14'2" and occasional 14'5".

For fishing sinking tips a Meiser 13'6" and a 14' Eve.   I also use an 11'5" Burkie with a 7/8 weight Wulff TT trout line rolled or oh cast.   I had been using Ballistic Vector lines but though excellent casting lines, they behaved as extra slow intermediates in my local rivers.   On Poppy's advice I tried a Gaelforce on the 14'2" and found it remarkable.  It is perfect!
But DO take advice from Poppy or the designer, James Chalmers, before buying.

This outfit is my go-to outfit except when there is ice in the river.   The small Meiser MKS will get to the river everytime.

The problem is - say you have a 15' rod with a 700 grain line and a 14' rod with a 600 grain line you have the shorter rod having the mechanical advantage [15x700 = 10,500 ft:grains loading.  14 x 600 = 8400!   That is a difference of some 20% in favour of the shorter rod.   Add the fact that the short rod is lighter, offers less wind resistance etc. and the short rod may well be 40% more efficient!]
DaveEvans

Avatar / Picture

Senior Member
Registered:
Posts: 109
Reply with quote  #8 
Brian, I have the same rod / line (8142 + gaelforce) and it is a great combo.  I ended up getting the 8152 and fish that with the 50+ or 60+ foot gaelforce with little problem.  Amazing how much it helped to do the exercises my doctor has been telling me to do for years, imagine that!  That and arthritis meds are a great combo and kept me on the river all last year. 

Everyone's advice has been to go shorter, and I would love to get a rod that is in the 13' range!   I may have more time to spend on the coast for our winter runs and a shorter rod is on my mind.

Dave
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.