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Erik Schirmer

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I was able to get a Burkheimer 7139-4 for a price I couldn't turn down.  I looked high and low for a long line within the grain window of this rod (420-570).  Sad to say I couldn’t find any.  I bought the Rio Long Head Spey (620gr) which is quite a bit over the published grain window and it castes like it.  I could cast it but not to the potential of the rod.  OK call me crazy for cutting up a $110.00 line, but?  I started with the Rio Long Head Spey, 64' long and 620gr.  I cut 25' off the tip end.  I took that 25' piece and cut 7’-6” off of the tip and 2’-6” off of the rear end, trying to shed weight and keep some semblance of the taper.  I welded loops on the remaining 15’ piece and the main body of the line.  The 15’ tip piece weighs 120gr and the total head is now 54’ long and 557gr, which is now within the grain window for the rod.  I have cast it for a couple days now and also put a 15’ - 129gr sink tip in place of the 120gr float.  The total weight of the head with sink tip is 566gr.  It works and works great!  Not a 60’+ line but I don’t have to spend another $100.  And the longest line I could find within the grain window is the Cortland Long Belly Spey at 60’ – 550gr.  6’ is not incentive for me to buy a new line and now I have a "mid" spey length (mid by today's standard) versi-tip system like the old Windcutter my brother has.  I just wanted to let you all know what I did.   I would like to hear any other ideas or comments or of any long lines under 570gr.  Is there a reason why nobody sales a true long line in the USA at this weight?


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Apart from scandi heads, I don't give much thought to line weights or published grain windows. I find that taper design is typically far more important than total weight, and (with some exceptions) I generally take a line company at their word and line my rods number-for-number...

My suggestion would have been to play around with hold-points/overhang, as this can have a tremendous effect on the way a line interacts with your rod.

If the line now works well for you, more power to you. I have never been able to cut a modern line and have it perform better than it came from the factory.

I suspect there aren't any long-n-light lines out there simply because there isn't a market for them.


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Steve Godshall at Bob Meisers shop will build you a line to match just about any situation. And it doesn't usually cost you $110. Worth a call....
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The Gaelforce 54' UK rated 9/10 (580grns) will rock on that rod. 

I agree with AJ about grain windows. These numbers are guidelines and not necessarily cast in stone. It sounds like you have a line that is a good match and utilizing something without spending more $$$. So in my opinion you did good.

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AJ, you are right.  I ignored the line weight and grain window when I bought the line.  A conversation with Randy at Burkheimer is what put me on looking at the grain weight window. Playing with hold points and overhang is what prompted me to do what I did, cut the line.  I found the line cast best for me with a rod's length of the head in the rod, approximately 14'.  That left 50' of line out for cast.  With what I did I now have 54' of line out of the rod for cast and the head shoots more effectively. Short cast are easier and I can cast it further.  Lastly, and this may expose my ignorance, but the factory tip of this line is lighter than my 4wt DT.  Just not enough to turn over the 1/4 chickens I can sometimes throw.  So by cutting the tip back 7 1/2' I gave the line a heavier tip to turn over longer leaders and bigger flies.  It works, at least for now.  As I improve my casting skills I may be calling Steve to build me a line.
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The Gaelforce 54' UK rated 9/10 (580grns) will rock on that rod. 

I agree with AJ about grain windows. These numbers are guidelines and not necessarily cast in stone. It sounds like you have a line that is a good match and utilizing something without spending more $$$. So in my opinion you did good.



I agree with Poppy as far as Burkheimer rods and Gealforce lines are concerned....I have five pf these rods from 11'5" 8 weight through to 14'9" 9 weight.   They have all got Gealforce lines now and I have never come across other lines which have such a natural affinity with these rods.   Various Rios were usable, but not great and Ballistic lines and Scandi heads were a lot better, but when I tried the gealforce for the first time I found that it was a totally new experience for me.   In short letting the rod do the work and you need 20% less effort.   In a wind the same is true.

I have a also tried them on three Meiser rods and again they are totally new set-ups which have made me appreciate the skill of these two rod designers when their rods are perfectly line matched.   As for James Chalmers - his record goes all the way back to the original Carron competition lines.  Nuff said! [thumb]
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Tapers are way more important than weight especially as the lines get longer [cool]
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You are all more right than I could have imagined. My wife and I stopped by the shop last Saturday and finely met Mr and Mrs Red Shed, what wonderful people. Anyway, I took Poppy up on his offer to try the Gaelforce 54', 9/10 line.  I was going to return it Sunday but rain and snow sent me up the river too far and conditions didn't let me fully try out the line. But I did fish a run into a pool to the tailout, some of the only soft water I could find.  The water was so high I couldn't wade out so I only had about 5 to 10 feet behind me and an up stream wind, river right.  I did a "make shift" cast, like a kind of sort of weak hand single spey that to my surprise worked.  In two hours of fishing I only hooked the bushes twice.  I could tell that this line matches this rod perfectly.  It allowed me to modify my casting stroke and adapt to the conditions, making cast that I simply can't make with the Rio line.  No fish for the weekend but had a lot of fun.  Poppy, I will try the line this week and then send it back to you.  If it works like I think it will (and you know it will) I'll be ordering one of these lines.  Thanks again for all the info and a great forum. 
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