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cris caldwell

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what is the reasoning for the different belly lengths for a spey line? 

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It basically boils down to how far away you want to fish and how much running line you are willing to monkey with to get there, balanced against how much room you have to work with and how large a D-loop you can get away with.



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Thanks, I was struggling with shooting/running line, so I picked up mid length spey (64') and got 20'-25' more river under my line and a straight leader  
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I like the short heads for several reasons. I am 68 with a bit of a bad shoulder so the short lines let me stay with a compact stroke and stay with shorter rods - 12.5' to 13'. Longer lines are better with longer rods. No matter how good your technique, throwing a longer heavier fulcrum will take more work than a shorter rod and shorter head. Perhaps the biggest reason for me is I am absolutely left hand stupid and it is much easier to cast short heads off-shoulder than longer heads.

There are some negative aspects of short heads. Perhaps the biggest one I have heard is more stripping means less fishing time and I am not sure I totally buy that. Even those throwing longer heads are likely stripping some. Assume I am stripping in something like 40+ feet and a long liner is stripping 10 to 20 feet –the time difference isn’t that much and becomes even less if you are stripping while taking your 3 steps down. No question though there is a better chance of tangles with that much stripping.

Distance would pretty easily go to the long head caster but assuming 40’ of shooting line (pretty easy especially when using mono running line), a 35’ scandi and a 15’ to 20’ leader, 90’ + casts are doable. 

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I’m with you Rick on the stripping of line. I do like mid-length lines but it’s not because of less stripping. I’m humored by the arguments about fishing quicker or faster with less stripping given all of the factors involved in swinging a fly for fish. I don’t think stripping factors in very much in the “low hanging fruit” world of fishing faster, st least in my world.
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well, information and distance are like money ,better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it, so thanks for the info. and like every addict more is better and right now that is my mission (with info and distance ) and I require a stripping basket with more then 20' of shooting line and I'm not quite ready to wear mine just yet,so I'll be on the water getting a upper hand on my upper hand and a full spey  also,when did stripping become not fishing ?

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I know of a jedi caster/steelhead angler that just told me that fishing faster may not be all that great. He surmises that if he gets a follow or a pluck the time it takes him to strip in the running line and set up for the next cast gives the fish time to return to it's holding station. This person is an amazingly great steelhead angler so maybe there is something to his theory.

I will also say that distance ability is a great thing but just know that on my river I'd venture that many hundreds of steelhead have been taken on a cast of 50 feet or so. Many times I see anglers wade much to deep and cast way to far.

Having said the above I will say for chrome chasing, fish how you want with the tackle and flies that you want because I believe it's more of a mind game than anything else. If you really believe you need a certain piece of tackle, a certain fly, or to fish a certain way then you do.

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cris caldwell

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thanks again I have to agree on fishing close, my home water is the lower yuba in northern ca. at its widest it is under 100 yds wide, when it's not blown out, and the biggest trout/steelhead I've caught here was 10' off of a gravel bar in a slot not much bigger then the fish, that was less 30' away and it was just over 22" that being said, this two handed casting for me is the challenge and the ascetics of the cast,and too me each cast is a new challenge.

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   P.S.  I come here for 2 really good reasons 1st poppy went through the trouble to put the site up and 2nd I don't believe I'm unique and I have a good chance that someone on this site has dealt with the concerns I post.
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I suggest just trying some lines out and going with what you are comfortable with.  I use a 55' Gaelforce on an 8wt and just love it, but found a 38' Gaelforce is best for me on one of my 7wts.  It may take more time to strip with a shorter head, but that is not something that concerns me very much. 
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thanks for the reply and I'm just now finding the place where talent, comfort and desire collide, so now I'll work on the talent part and try not to pick up any bad habits and loose the one's I have 

                                stay warm be safe, 
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I started with a scandi and then moved to the longer lines.  I had an excellent teacher when I started who taught a lot of beginners, and he thought it was better/easier to start long then go short, because you pick up fewer bad habits.  I agree with him based on my own experience, but that is just me.  You can really overthink this stuff!  He did have me casting well enough with the scandi to fish after a lesson on the water, and really that is all that matters.
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just spent a couple of hours on the water no fish, but a lot of really nice tight loops river left river right double,single spey snap t all in all very nice day

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I'm like a kid when it comes to gear,what ever I have in my hand is my favorite love my scandi ditto the skagits (when they ratchet off a few clicks on the reel) and the spey lines(still working on the set up if I got much more then 50' of the line out of the guides) when I'm so horrible that I get better every time I go out I tend to smile a lot life is good 
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