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Dennis Kulhanek

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Hello Gene, I look into the Orvis site for reel description unfortunataly they don't provide reel interior. They stated that there are four powel positions and option for the left or right hand line retrive. What do they mean by that? Are the new Battenkill springs and powels similar to Hardy design? You can always call Orvis customer service and ask for different spring and try to tune it to your liking.
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The inside arrangement is not like any other major reel I've seen.  The pawl for changing the retrieve from L to R (it comes set for L) is on one spindle.  Changing from L to R is done by simply moving the pawl to the pin on the other side and reversing the spring.  The other end of the spring rests on a rectangular block that can be rotated to increasingly wider widths of material pushing the spring further back to increase the pressure on the click pawl.  Without using a screw driver, I could not move the block more than from the lowest setting to the next highest.  I'm not sure it could be moved to a higher position without damaging the spring itself.  I'll post a picture or two later.
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Thank's Gene to clarify the Batt design. But without to see spring and pivot arrangement I am still not sure I understand. Is the highest or lowest positon of block increase spring tension on the powel? If the powel is similar to Hardy where the cam pivot is offset  the slant on the powel must point in spool clockwise direction. I hope Orvis provide instructions but if compose in Asia one can't be sure. Use the side of block that provide least tension on the powel; compare gear theet number and depth with reel you are happy with. There are many ways to take spring temper of then to add. With simple spring balance[scale] small sheet UHMV polyethylene screw to the playwood and some weights and assistent you can make accurate line ;leader; tipet ;inerthia;knot;  test.
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See the post Poppy put up late last year....New Orvis Battenkill Switch and Spey Reels...

The 5th post shows the pawl for controlling the click.  

Note: this is a reversed image.  If you hold the reel in your hand and look into it, the clicker pawl is on the left side and the adjustment pawl on the right.  Also the adjustment block on my reel looks different than on the one Poppy is holding in the picture he posted.  

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Hi. Gene If you looking in the reel with your aye right side is set for right hand retrive in right configuration in the lowest setting. For left hand retrive you will have to  change the spring to left side and insert the powel from inside with slant pointing to right and flip toward the gear . I am not trying to tell you how to set up your reel and please don't take it as offence. I know it is confusing with most  Hardy reels with V springs in the cage, they act in oposite direction.
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One my club member mail-ordered one IV and received it a few days ago. I had a look at it together with him. It has a limited access to adjusting the drag force, for you should open the spool first. It is a good solid reel indeed with nice look. But one thing should be noted: the drag is very strong(not in the favorable sense) even on the lightest setting. It seemed almost impossible not to break tippets or to damage spooled lines inside the reel when being pulled while fishing. Before he started using it in actual fishing(yesterday) he had to grind the upper part of the pawl a bit with a sand paper and adjust the drag force. Now the issue is resolved. He is happy again. I wonder if there is any better solution to the drag.


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June Kim, Thank you for the update. I am curious as to the pound test of the tippets your friend is breaking with the reel in question? I'm also curious how much metal (in thousands) was ground off the pawl? I'm trying to get as much info as I can on these reels, good, bad, or ugly so I can pass it on to Orvis in search for a better functioning product.
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I've heard of a couple of folks who ground off the tip of the pawl.  I reversed the drag for my Grandson who reels with his right hand and the problem seemed to resolve itself.  I could be that the placement of the pins is slightly different, distance-wise, when set up right-handed versus left.  It is not a problem with the III trout reel I have.  Before I start grinding, I going to look at a weaker spring.  It doesn't appear the rotating block can be removed to modify it in any way.  Maybe someone who is a surgeon with a Dremel could ease the shallow setting by grinding on the block.  
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There must be various ways to solve(if this is an issue) the drag problem. We(I n him) tried to find a practical easy way to ease the drag force. We just decided to grind the pawl is the easiest way. He ground the right corner of round part of the pawl a bit, probably about 0.5mm or more. Sorry for insufficient explanation. If you plan to wind with right hand the issue will not arise, as suggested above but to remove the block and reattach the pawl on the other side does not seem easy either. I forgot the pound test of the tippet but for sure, he did not pull enough to break it, for the spool did not move at all just by pulling the tippet and the leader got inside the spool to touch arbor. Even with entire line outside, the drag stayed strong and he was not able to pull out the varivas #30 shooting line at some point. 

Personally I think reduced drag force coupled with palm drag is a practical way if the company wants to maintain current structure.

It's a good well made reel. I will recommend it to others without hesitation, not to mention to buy one for myself soon. 

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The block is not removed when changing from left to right, but it takes a little thought get it done correctly.  Remove the spring, remove the pawl, put the pawl on the pin on the opposite side of the reel.  Reinstall the spring on the other pin on the opposite side.  The reel has five pins.  The two on the right side of the reel looking inside the reel are empty.  The goal is make the reel look just like it does from the factory only using the empty pins on the right side and leaving the two pins on the left as the now empty ones. 
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Ah..I see. Thank you, Gene for kind explanation. I did not noticed there are two empty pins for right wind.
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I too wasn't entirely happy with how strong the check was, so I tweaked the spring with a pair of pliers while standing in the river... Landed a few fish on it since, and so-far-so-good...
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I have been looking at these as a back up reel for my short Spey and switch rod.
May wait to Orvis comes up with a solution on their own.
Not in love with the idea of buying a brand new reel only to have to fix it on my own to get it to work properly. 
Also how does this effect any warranty?

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I tested this reel for Poppy and found the drag just fine on the low setting for most fish and the strongest setting fine for bigger fish.  Low setting good for 8lb test  and the heaviest fine for 12 lb and up test.  The springs will will break on their own no need to `tweak`them.
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I got the reel out last night and confirmed that when set for right hand retrieve the check is perfectly fine.  But, is "Too" strong when set up for LHR.  If you look closely at the rivets on the back of the reel, it appears these are symmetrical, but when I looked closely at the pegs they hold on the inside, it appears to me there is a slight deviation with the LHR spring peg being slightly further away from the center peg.  But I don't have the tools to measure it accurately.  My only question for Bruce is which way, or both, did you have the reel set up?
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