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Joe Congleton

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I have just read that Idaho is proposing the steelhead harvest closure be opened to harvest of "hatchery fish " under 28 inches, claiming B run fish won't be adversely impacted?  

What are your feelings on this ?  There is a comment period.

Here's the complete proposal for steelhead harvest and more detailed information. Anglers can comment on the proposal via email steelheadcomments@idfg.idaho.gov

 
Todd M Samson

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With a record low run, how is that even a question? Anyone who spends a fair amount
time catching and releasing fish and does not live in a world of science denial knows that no matter how 
careful you are, occasionally you kill a fish. Opening a harvest to gear fishing will kill 'B' run fish!
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In my professional life we have phrase "catastrophic failure" we use when there is something going wrong but we are not sure or ignore what it is, then all of a sudden we see complete collapse with little chance of going back where we started.  The fish populations are very weak this year and I do not see why they should be hammered when this could have long-term impact on the fishery.  Give them a break this year.  Please write the people listed on this forum.  I have a Lonesome Larry sticker in my office, we do not need a Lonesome Fred the steelhead.
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If you get by the shop sign the petition. If you can't, keep the issue vocally at the forefront.
I thought biology was the study of life ...not death.
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with the help of our local commissioner they postponed the vote last week - a number of folks (including Zack) sent out an email blast with contact info to contact the various commissioners and folks at F&G to let them know your concerns and expect quite a few folks responded - so fingers crossed that the vote when it happens will be to keep closure in place
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They will be opening the Snake this Sunday for retention. Sad and I'm sure the Clearwater will follow despite our need to keep it closed
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While I am disappointed with the IDFG commissioner's vote to reopen the C&K season I am going to stay positive on the subject. I am also not going to diss anyone at the IDFG or on the catch and keep side. I am willing to eat tacos with any of these guys anytime. We might have our differences but everyone involved on this subject loves steelhead.

I was at the meeting in Lewiston, ID on Tue night when Mr. Dupont laid out some numbers and IDFG's reasoning for their position on the subject. This was a good meeting with everyone being respectful of our various opinions. The C&K crowd offered some valid points and some good suggestions. The turnout by anglers wanting to keep the C&R season was shamefully low, and while no one at that meeting except IDFG commissioner Dan Blanco was going to vote on the proposal, Eric Barker from the Lewiston Tribune was there along with his cameraman. Just think about a picture in the next days paper of a couple hundred C&R anglers crowded into the room. Instead what we had was pro C&K about 3/1 over the the C&R group.

Now to Mr. Dupont and his numbers. First I don't hear to good and I might have missed something but this is what I think I heard. I've heard many statements that steelhead are in short supply in Idaho, when in reality "wild" steelhead are in short supply everywhere. They have been negatively impacted by dams, loss of habitat, over logging, natural predation, nets, commercial over harvest, and unfavorable ocean conditions, and I might add rough handling by anglers, many of whom claim to have wild steehead's best interest at heart.

The way I heard things at this meeting the IDFG doesn't deal with individual steelhead. They deal with steelhead as a group, hatchery and wild, and while the numbers this year might be low the IDFG believes there are sufficient hatchery fish to allow a harvest. I believe the mindset is "if we need more we have hatcheries to take up the slack", and as long as that giant chunk of concrete sits on the point of land between the Clearwater North Fork and Clearwater Middle Fork this is going to be the prevailing mindset.

I also believe I heard that the Feds have control over "wild steelhead". They allow the IDFG a wild steelhead mortality rate of 3.2%. I haven't figured what what number the 3.2% is taken from, but I heard it was from an Oregon study that is 15 years old. I am going to research this some more and may find I'm wrong.

After thinking about this subjetc for a great deal of time I'm thinking maybe the C&R group is shooting at the wrong target. Our goal is to protect wild fish. Instead of wanting to shut the C&K fishery down it seems to me we would be much further along to our goal by lobbying for no bait allowed for steelhead fishing and absolutely no unclipped steelhead being removed from the water for any reason. Getting these two things passed would be a huge help to combat wild steelhead mortality.

I wouldn't think the guides and anglers that are pro catch & keep would have any issue with the no wild fish out of the water rule. As to the outlawing of bait, the guides running the big sleds are all expert anglers. I believe they are so good that not using bait would only be a slight challenge to them. I really don't think their businesses would be that greatly impacted if the just changed what they sell.

In closing, calling the IDFG people names and belittling them is not helping the cause. The are not making these rules, the IDFG commissioners do. The commissioners are appointed by the Governor. The commissioners and the Governor are the people that need to hear from us. This is no different then writing to our various representatives in other forms of government. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Please be respectful.
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^^^^^^  good reasoning Poppy, as usual
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Todd if you are directing your comments to my post above then I think you might be out in left field.

No one rolled over in any way, shape, or form and the powers that be certainly know my thoughts and opinions on the issue in question.

The C&R group did not get what they wanted and no one rolled over. Their opinions were certainly well stated to the people making the decisions.

You are free to tell them, or call them whatever you want and if New Zealand is all that great maybe you should take a trip there. As for me I'm staying in Idaho.

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I think it's super important to remember that the economics of c&k are a significant factor for IDFG. The sled guys have an effective line of communication and have had for a long time. C&R guys, mostly Flyfisherman, are loosely confederated and while they certainly have improved communication over the years, have nowhere near the influence that the Guides Association or whatever has. As far as rolling over goes, Todd, its apparent that you don't know Poppy very well. There is no one on earth less likely to roll over on anything. New Zealand has very high standards as far as immigration. Perhaps you qualify.
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“All other 2017 steelhead rules still apply. “. (Idaho F&G press release)

Does anyone know if the spring 2018 season rules changed? I didn’t see any info about that in the press release, just the fall 2017 C&K changes.

Looks like Todd maybe headed to New Zealand?
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