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cris caldwell

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I have developed a dual peaked ridge in my forward loop,can anyone offer an opinion  on causes and cures for said loop anomaly? 

                                                              
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Are you holding the shooting line with one (top or bottom) hand or both (top and bottom) hands?
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loops in bottom hand going under finger of top hand
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I moved Cris' post down here to the General Spey Casting Topics in the hope he will get more help.
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I posted a casting video over on another forum a while back asking if anyone knew why I was getting "pulses" (what I called those ridges) in my casts (singles/snakes) and Ed Ward responded that it was because I was holding the running line with both hands. Apparently it's very difficult to release the line at the same time with each hand which results in a pulse in the line, or a ridge. I tend to listen to folks like Ed.
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The line follows the rod tip....a hard and fast rule with any style casting, single or double, so sounds like your moving up and down on your forward stroke with your hands if that makes sense.
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might a soft rod tip cause a double bounce with too much power?

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thanks for all the help, I sometimes think I'm still double hauling lead core I tend to overload my forward stroke   ( This is like having herpes it just keeps flaring up)
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It depends on whether the dimples or peaks are on the rod or fly leg of the loop. One of the most common causes is from rebound of the tip after the stop. Try relaxing your hands at  the stop to dampen the rebound. Check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGxzdiiWQjw  and 
https://thelimpcobra.com/2012/08/05/fly-casting-39/  

Hope this helps,
Gary...

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It is on the bottom or rod leg 

     thanks and kind regards,
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Dimples or line humps or dips will be on the rod leg because of irregularities of the rod tip after the stop. Any irregularities of the fly segment of the loop occur before the stop. This means that your problems may be from rod tip rebound or displacement. 
All types of problems can be caused by rod and rod tip movements including bad tracking which occurs in either the vertical or horizontal plane. The road goes on forever and the party never ends in trying to figure them all out.....[confused]

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Something like this?  This is a screen capture from video of single speys, per EW the pulses are due to poor timing on line release (in this case loops held in lower hand which have been dropped but line is just being released from pinch with top hand, tip bounce might be in play but this a 9140 rod so strong tip). I've since been working on holding loops and pinching the line both with the top hand only.  Videos are the cat's meow for assessing casting faults (or casting non-faults[smile])
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The line still went out far enough, if a bit ugly at first, and this little hen didn't care LOL.  As long as I'm not trying to cast at redneck-o-rama I'm ok.
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Thanks for the input it helps, one of the things I like the most about learning fly casting SH or DH  is the feeling I get when everything comes together the line sails out straightens out settles on the water where it was intended to and all feels right in the world. 

                                            kind regards, Cris
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