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Mark Bolyen

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I am new to this site and the swing game but I bought an 8wt. TFO deer creek 11' switch rod.  I am using a dragontail shooting line and have a SA Skagit extreme head 520 g.  I used 10' T-14 (170g) and a short leader with 4" streamer.  I looked like sport Goofy trying to cast.  By the end of the day I questioned my line selection and that is why I joined this site. I was allowed to read posts before I became an approved member and you guys know your stuff.
I did watch the video on Skagit casting again when  I returned home and as suspected there was an extreme case of operator error.  I basically did everything wrong so that explains why I was able to cast this rig a year ago and now I can't.
My question is are your people OK with the lines I selected(am close, way off, etc.?
I plan on swinging my brains out this year to give the MI steelhead a break from my plug pulling habit.
Thank you for any help I receive.
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I suspect your choice of line is OK, but my gut says to back off on the sink tip. Try something lighter and see if that helps you get dialed in...
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Mark Bolyen

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Al, Thank you so much! From Bob Meiser's site "Head Grain weights of 500/600 will carry to +- 150 grains of tip wt.".  I wondered about this also and I know the rules can vary slightly for a number of reasons.

Before I asked this question I read Poppy's endorsement of a Royal Wulff Ambush line for another gentleman. Somewhere I read lining this switch rod will be more expensive that lining all my other long rods.  Thank God I only have this one long rod!
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From Bob Meiser's site "Head Grain weights of 500/600 will carry to +- 150 grains of tip wt.". 


The above may be all well and good if one is an experienced spey caster. That statement also doesn't address rod length or caster ability. I believe AJ's advice is pretty good.

Also Rome wasn't built in a day and I don't know anyone that didn't look like sport Goofy when they were starting out. All these "jedi" that you see in the videos and on social media were beginners at one point in time. They have spent thousands of hours perfecting what they do so well in videos.

 I will send you an Ambush demo line if you was to try that route. Since you already have a running line you could try the Ambush in a head version.



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I have the 11 7 and have thrown heavier grains. I think AJ suggesting a less aggressive tip is a good one until you get your casting dialed in though that line should be able to cast that tip once you do dial in your casting. I also like a shorter line on the 11 foot. Think yours is 23'. With a 10' tip the line to rod ratio is 3 - easier if that were less. I cut back a 625 skagit to 18' and think it is around mid 500 grains and it will launch most anything. It really takes very little effort and minimal hand and arm movement with a shorter line system. Slow down and keep movements minimalist and compact and it will go
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The above may be all well and good if one is an experienced spey caster. That statement also doesn't address rod length or caster ability. I believe AJ's advice is pretty good.

Also Rome wasn't built in a day and I don't know anyone that didn't look like sport Goofy when they were starting out. All these "jedi" that you see in the videos and on social media were beginners at one point in time. They have spent thousands of hours perfecting what they do so well in videos.

 I will send you an Ambush demo line if you was to try that route. Since you already have a running line you could try the Ambush in a head version.



Poppy, that would be soooo cool.
Mark Bolyen

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Thank you all.  You guys are not only knowledgeable, you are supportive also!

Mr. Jorgensen and Poppy, I also have a 20ft RIO Skagit/Switch 480g that I have never tried.  Sounds like this shorter length might also help.

Rick Jorgensen

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Mark - in my previous post I was off by 100 grains for my 11' 7 wt - it does well with lines in the mid 400 grain - 425 to 475. My cut back 625 comes in around 470 grains at 18 feet. I would certainly try the shorter skagit and see if that helps with your set up.
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Rick
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