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Graham Hill

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Here is another one of my small questions.  I am looking for a leader recipe.  I want a 12' leader for a two-handed rod that will be cast overhand...an old Hardy cane 9 wt.  I usually tie my tapered Spey leaders in 15' and 18' lengths.  I can easily parse the formula down for a 12' leader, but I was sitting here asking myself "Self, what do other anglers use?" I am looking for a tapered leader that starts at 30 lb Maxima Chameleon and ends with a 15 lb Maxima Ultragreen tippet.  So if you have a recipe that really works for you, would you mind sharing it?  Regards, Graham.
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just for fun try 12ft of 15lb maxima, you might be pleasantly surprised[wink]
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So simple.  Thanks, Bruce, I will give it a try this week.  I have tied my own tapered leaders for over forty years, and to me a leader is supposed to be tapered.  One track mind.  Regards, Graham. 
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My spey leader is 15-17ft of 15 or 20lb maxima with a 4ft tippet has been working for years for me and many others.
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I am another advocate of the level leader as Bruce describes it.
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The only tapered leader you will see on a two-hand rod in Scotland or Ireland will be found on the line of an American visitor!   We all use off the spool mono.  Though years ago I bought a used reel & line with a very long continuously tapered leader which I was fascinated to try.   It got rubbed against a rock and was ditched.   But the brief test was enough to persuade not to buy any.
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I have used the 6-2-2 ratio formula with 25, 20, 15# maxima clear or brown, then ultragreen tippet.  6-2-2 should include the tippet, but I do not tie mine that way and it works fine.  I have and use level leaders after talking to Poppy and that also works just fine.  
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I tried Bruce Kruk's suggestion of a 12' chunk of tippet as a leader and tried it out in a "Science Experiment"...well known to my kids when they were younger.  I also tied a 12' tapered leader using my old recipe and compared the two leaders.  Two similar 12'6" 9/10 rated rods, identical reels and lines, two dummy flies from my fly fishing course tool box and off to the school field for a dry land try.  I can say that for the average person fishing a Spey line, the straight chunk of tippet would be a good choice.  However, after trying each leader on each rod, I found that my tapered leader laid out much better.  This was with overhead casting as I said in my first post...double taper Salmon floaters on the reels because this is the line I would be using on my vintage Wye.  Thanks for the input and suggestions!  Regards, Graham.
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