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Leo Moore

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Some people go on about large arbor reels like you're defeated with a standard arbor reel before you ever hook a fish. I know the Hardy Marquis Salmon series (No. 1, 2 & 3) have landed a hell of a lot of fish. Just curious about peoples feelings of one verses the other? Thanks.
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I've always believed you turn a standard arbor reel into a large arbor by adding backing to it.  I have been tempted to overfill the reel at times and that creates problems when I've got a good fish on and get too enamored of the fish and forget to watch how I'm retrieving line.  It is no fun when a fish decides to run and and your line jams up the reel.  I have one large arbor that came with a used rod I bought some time ago.  I use it as a spare reel for bass fishing and it is a nice reel.  But, I'd rather the reel have the extra backing to make it a larger arbor.  
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I have never used a large arbor reel for steelheading. You will be just fine with the Hardy. No worries whatsoever.


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Gene (Larson) you said what I have always thought, a standard arbor is large when full of backing. If a fish strips off a 100 yards of backing or more you have reduced your efficiency some but you get it back as you reel in. The other advantage, and correct me if I am wrong, is that drag increases as the arbor or diameter of the backing gets smaller when backing is removed by a running fish.
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I use large arbour reels exclusively but it is really down to personal preference. A large arbour reel has a larger internal spool width and diameter than a standard reel. This allows for a greatly increased rate of line retrieval. Bigger coils of line come off the reel which helps line management when casting. Also, the drag is more consistent because as a fish pulls out line, the effective spool diameter remains nearly constant. Line memory is also reduced as the line is held on the reel in larger coils.
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Leo, I think the issue of increasing drag as the fish pulls line off any reel is main difference between the LA reel and the standard spool.  Personally, I like the idea of the drag increasing as the fish takes line off the reel.  My bias is that with an LA reel, you don't have as much backing so your consistent drag will be negated by getting spooled quicker by a hot fish.  The SA has the capacity to fight longer as long as the tippet holds against the increasing drag.  I'm going to bet on the latter situation to be the most beneficial to most anglers.  
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Unless you are wanting a very large diameter reel in a large arbor you'll potentially be losing line capacity.  I've owned a few large arbor reels that I couldn't get much backing on and then had a heck of a time getting even a mid belly line on them.  Would depend on the line / head you are using.  All of my gear is standard arbor with 150 to 200 yard of 30# which gets me to a mid arbor diameter.
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In my opinion discussion about reel drag is pointless. There is no question that good drag is advantage but give me solid quality palming click and pawl reel to control over run and I'am happy. With drag reels you have to change settings several times on running fish. What is a advantage of constant drag I'dont understand? But smooth drag is different story.


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If we are to accept (1) that the amount of drag increases as spool diameter (lever arm) decreases, & (2) it being better to control the amount of drag by palming the spool in some fashion rather than fiddling with a drag knob, then we must ask ourselves the following: In either case, if we are to start with just enough drag to eliminate over run, we are able to apply more or less pressure as needed by palming the spool. For the sake of argument here, I am going to assume the reel in question be somewhat appropriate in size to the rod. (no tarpon reels on bonefish rods) The standard arbor reel would eventually get to the place where,due to greatly reduced lever arm, zero palming pressure would result in excessive drag, there being no way of backing off. We should all be so lucky as to find ourselves in that situation. Still, I would argue in favor of the large arbor reel as one can apply more palming pressure as needed, while still having the option of backing off, without fiddling with the drag knob. 
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I use a hardy perfect (3 7/8). The smaller the arbor the faster the spool spins,thus loader the reel screams!!! No brainer for me what to use! I want to quote a friend of mine,DV. Those guys that use those large arbor reels with disc drags is Ike a deaf man going to a symphony concert. Can he reaLy enjoy it
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LOL Mike that's funny. Not heard of that advantage of small arbor before.
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I love these discussions.

Here's the deal.
The real LA benefit is a reduction in the number of memory coils when you have 50' of running line laying in the bottom of your boat when SH casting.
Running line LOVES to twist on itself.  Always at the moment you really need to shoot out the line.
The twist problem is greatest immediately after pulling off the line.
Stretching the coils really helps.  Alternating the retrieve LH/RH helps prevents tangles from building up on the deck during SH fishing.

This benefit is mute when 2H casting in a river where the running line gets to straighten in the current.

Another "published" LA benefit is that you can reel more line faster.  Good luck with that when the steelhead decides to run at you.

The increase of reel drag affect is ALWAYS mentioned in these discussions.  In theory, this is true; Torque = Force x Radius.  But, guys get your heads out of the "books" and observe fishing reality.
The SA increase/decrease in drag is negligible compared to the 100' of fly line a fish is dragging around rocks and stumps in a river.

My advice.  
Think less and fish more.

Gary

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