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Poppy Cummins

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Of late I'm again hearing many complaints from fly anglers about bad manners and bad river etiquette being displayed by some power boaters on the Clearwater river in Idaho. We complain a lot among ourselves about this but that is usually as far as it goes. I think the powers that be should be hearing these complaints so I'm listing some contact info in case anyone wants to use it. Please keep a record of the times you contact these people and what was said. Also be precise and polite.

Kyle Christopher-IDFG conservation officer on the Clearwater
208-791-7350
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.christopher@idfg.idaho.gov

Fred Trevey IDFG commissioner Clearwater region 
(208) 743-5465 
fred.trevey@idfg.idaho.gov

Joe DuPont Clearwater Region Fishery Manager
Phone: 208-799-5010

 





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Too bad, wonder if all the advertisement about the "record" coho run is adding to this.

On our local rivers/waterways (southern Idaho) "bad" boating issues can also be the responsibility of the local Sheriff, especially if said bad behavior involves dangerous activities (incl. threats).
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It falls under the jurisdiction of the sheriff here as well but unless they have several complaints about the same boat they don't really like to get involved. Here some of the worst offenders are the "meat wagon" guides that are running party boats on the Clearwater. They are masters at crowding the fly angler's water and when confronted they then claim the fly angler started things by calling them names. 

 

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If it is guides then you should also contact the Idaho Outfitters and Guides Licensing Board, fill out the complaint form found on there web site and send it in,  http://oglb.idaho.gov/enforcement/

Here in Oregon it only takes a couple of complaints and the guide license is suspended.
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There are some guides involved but certainly it's not all guides. 
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As someone who has been on the water pretty much every day this season, this stuff has been exhausting this year. 

I have taken to pulling out my phone as soon as I see a mega sled loaded with people coming and starting the video recording. The plan is to compile it all in the future and send it off to the powers. 

I can also say that as soon as the video recording starts their behavior improves so if you want to keep people back a bit pull your phone out and point it at them.

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Ha thats great Zack.......video don't lie!
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Poppy, thanks for the contact info, we had an "encounter" Thursday and contacted the people you listed.  It was a private boat, not a guide.  Dave
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While fly fishing the Clearwater River in Idaho my friend and I had a close encounter with a jet boat.

Oct. 30, 2014 around 3pm a jet boat motored up the Clearwater. He stopped below me and started to yell at me. He then got back up on plane and roared pass me, nearly knocking me over with his wake. He continued upstream and over my friends fly line while he was wading. He was nearly knocked over too. They guy was no more than 20 feet from him as he went by.

Since our fishing water had been disturbed we motored upstream and saw the boat. I stopped we had a little chat. We remained calm in our tone and simply told the guy we were turning him in, and his registration number into to the IDFG.

This was the closest encounter I've had on the Clearwater in 40 years of fishing for steelhead. They guy was either extremely ignorant or completely rude.

I made my report today, Monday Nov. 3, 2014
I almost feel like posting the guys boat number here, but I won't.
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This makes me sad. I don't understand the mindset of people who do such things. Next time I'm on the river I will keep the video idea, and the contact info, in mind. It's too bad.
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Being quite new compared to most of you guys posting here, I think my "sampling" is fairly small, but it seems to me that some rivers really have a culture to them.  My own experiences have varied drastically, not just from day to day or person to person (boat to boat); I've noticed that on some rivers I have far more incidents of rude behavior, and on some I've had the opposite.  The river that consistently manages to frustrate me is the Smith, where it seems that a good number of boats (especially guided ones) have basically zero concern/consideration for a shore bound angler.  I've also had a guide there offer his "help" in suggesting that I go fish another spot because as a fly angler there was just "no chance at picking fish off the edge like that".  I actually have hooked fish in exactly that spot before, and the spot he recommended seemed questionable at best.    

Last winter my father and I went up for a couple days of fishing just over the border on Oregons Elk river.  I was a bit dismayed, and kind of had my guard up already braced for conflict when I saw the number of boats on the river and the road.  To my surprise almost all of them were quite respectful and pleasant to deal with, many of them actually making a clear effort to alter their course to not disturb our water.  Every guide boat that went by said hello, floated past the run we were fishing and went on to the next spot, some even asked us if where we would prefer they float by us (behind, in close, far bank, etc).  Had a few similar interactions with gear guys too, and several enjoyable chats with the various other anglers in and on the river.  In the end it reminded me of how nicely things can go, even on a crowded river.  I kind of felt like an uptight ass for having been all braced for conflict when none occurred.  Not sure if we were just blessed with a couple of days with a mellow crowd there or if thats the norm.  I've always had favorable, to VERY favorable interactions with other anglers on the NU as well... maybe it's an Oregon thing?

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