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Rolf Evenson

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because I hate watching for the loop to loop connection from head to running line.  Have a few head setups and when I use them I find myself concentrating on the connection and counting pulls as I do it.  That's not the way I like to fish.   Anyone else annoyed with shooting heads?  I got many more complaints but I'll leave it at that for now.
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If you don't like them don't use them. One can always splice the running line into the back of the head.

Past that there are still integrated spey lines on the market from some companies. Gaelforce, RIO, Ballistic, Royal Wulff, Cortland, Scientific Anglers, and Airflo to name a few.

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Leo Moore

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I like shooting heads because I can cast them better and I find them fun. I come from the single handed family so I don't mind stripping in line. They are great to learn on and have a smaller D loop for close quarters. But as Poppy says, if you don't like them don't use them.
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It took me a number of years to see the light and convert over to them but I'm unlikely to go back anytime soon. I'm not a fan of stripping in general so prefer long bellied heads and have switched to mono behind them. Watching for the loop connection doesn't bother me in the least. It is easier in low light conditions, for me anyway, to see the loop than it was to see the color change on my old integrated lines. And this way if you strip in too far, you feel it and know you need to let 2-3 more feet out.

As for counting, I've always counted anyway so that I would not get too much running line on the water. With integrated lines, I would never have more that three strips in a loop. With mono, line stick is not as tricky but I still count - assuming I'm shooting more than 4 or 5 strips.

One trick from my Spey youth, is to use permanent ink and mark your running line either at the rod tip spot giving the proper overhang, the spot where you hold your shooting line or both. This way you strip to the marked spot and you know you are good to cast. I did that for years using integrated lines but since switching to OPST Lazer, have not felt the need to. I just look for the loop to loop connection instead.
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Poppy is spot on, if you don't like them don't use them.

Using mono in place of integrated running line gets you a shooting head just longer than your skagit/Scandi flavor

Use what you like and fish the crap outta it. Pretty simple. Enjoy the ride
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When your back is tight to the bushes there is no other option than shooting heads which is most of the time. But on broad open rivers I enjoy long lines as well.
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Actually a perry poke works quite well with a long line and no back cast room.
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Long lines with no back cast room is easy.......just cast more downstream......
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There is casting but fishing dictated which cast is most effective. I fish for Atlantic salmon in eastern Canada, I just come back from fishing Matapedia river.  Water levels were to high with no disrupt colum of water moving at high speed. I decided on Rio scandi with tips and use S6 tip which allow me to cast seventh feet . Perry poke is not long line cast is  more like sgagit cast and you have to strip line anyway.But for you if you can't lift rood more then horizontal and long line is for you way to go ahead but do not knock shooting heads they may bring more fish to the shore.
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I wasn't knocking shooting heads, just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat. Saying a perry poke does not work with longer heads is false as it actually works quite well. One should use whatever system works for them but realize that there is no one delivery superior delivery method.
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There are easy ways to deal with longer lines when you're under or against the trees.  With a strong S swing toward the near bank as you begin your anchor setup you can drop the fly well out in front, therefore your D loop can be well forward of your standing position.  If the setup isn't to your liking you can Perry Poke the belly out farther to gain more space.  My problem is likely ingrained based on my spey casting experience.  Spent over a decade fishing with Wulff spey lines on 12 and 13' spey rods and don't recall ever looking for the belly to running line taper.  With the shorter rods I likely held part of the head into the rod but I didn't pay attention to that.  If I could cast to my desired spot I was happy.  Not trying to explain how this works but I know it works.  Stripping is not fishing unless you're trying to close the deal on an interested fish. 
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Well. I am Little confused about longer lines, are you talking about long lines or mid spay lines? I don' own any rod Les 13.3 feet.And use single spay. I talking about high water condition and all your cast will spook the fish holding to the banks and thing about another fishermen behind you.


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 I love my Vectors for fishing purposes and for everyday fishing I don't really care for a long line, 50 - 55 feet gets me there just fine.  I use to hate them but as of late I am stuck on the Steelhead scandi's which is a good fishing head. 
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Scandi lines are good when you need them. But when I have more room, I switch to mid spey lines witch allow me different casts for scandi is too short. There is line no better then another they are all good!
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