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Poppy Cummins

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Maybe it shouldn't be. That being said, I like to eat some of my catch occasionally. I certainly have nothing against anyone that wants to take some fish home to eat. I do advocate the concept of "limit your kill, not kill your limit" Plenty of fish can be caught without using bait.


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Eliminating bait fishing on the Clearwater would impact the salmon fishing. Not sure there are very many salmon fly fishers on the Clearwater, but could be wrong. In any case I don't bait fish.
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There are almost no fly fishers on the Clearwater that fish for Salmon. The only species at issue for me are steelhead. There is a much higher mortality for steelhead caught with bait then with a single barbless hook. Everyone involved with this subject knows that. Any study showing otherwise is slanted to meet the objectives of the pro bait side. No studies should even be needed as it's just plain common sense.

While the numbers are smaller there are ESA protected wild steelhead in the system which   should be reason enough to have a no bait ban in place.

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I'm curious why there is no interest in the Chinook among fly fisherman?  
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I can't answer that but in the years I've had my fly shop there have been very few anglers pursue Chinook with fly gear that I have seen. I've tried it a little myself for Springers. In that time frame the water is pretty high and it takes a big head and a big sinktip to get down where they seem to hold. As to Fall Chinook all of the ones I hear about are a by catch for guys fishing for steelhead. Many of them are about half spent but once in awhile someone hooks up with a big boy that still has some steam. Many times down by Cherry Lane I've seen Chinooks on their last legs using the anglers legs as a current breaker. As the angler steps down these fish will just slip downstream and hang right below the angler.
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So the trout waters around us are all barbless single hook, however you add an struggling species into the mix and they approve bait......[eek] Some might say that's a special kind of stupid. Clearwater or not, I do think that it needs to be NO bait and single barbless hook. Plenty of people/guides do extremely well with corkies, yarnies, spoons, good ol fashioned beads, scooter do's and even scooter don'ts all of which are not bait. 

I agree with Poppy when it comes to the Chinooks, spring is not a safe wading time. Fall run Chinooks can be found on purpose but you really have to spend the time to figure it out and most of the time it's by luck/surprise.

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if you really want to save the clearwater put a ten year moratorium on all fishing( any one remember the early '80"s when returning salmon were in the single digits) if you really love the fishery shut it down.barbless is only a slower degradation of the fishery, even barbless hooks kill small fish and a played out trophy is at hazard. "I've seen the enemy, and it is us"
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If I thought it would help I would gladly stop fishing. That's not the reality though.
If you want to find the problem it's habitat degradation (dams and warming oceans) and commercial fishing.
The reality is that the only thing still fighting for these fish is the fishermen (all types). Without us voicing our opinions and our liscense fees paying the biologists, no one would be trying to help these fish and no one would care if these fish dissapeared.
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While Chris has a very good point the reality is they will never shut it completely down. I really doubt they would ever shut it partially down. We may find out I'm wrong in a few days, but if the fish holed up downstream start to move I don't think a closure will happen. 

They could at least close it to bait fishing even if just for the C&R season. Instead they keep on using the flawed study that they claim shows bait fishing is no more detrimental then single barbless lure and fly use. Hell the IDFG shouldn't even need any kind of a study. Any honest person with a shred of common sense that has bait fished for trout with salmon eggs or worms knows bait fishing is more detrimental to a fishes health then a single barbless lure or fly. 

The IDFG could also step up the enforcement of good fish handling rules. Many of us have witnessed plenty of mishandling of returned fish.

They could also close the South Fork of the Clearwater to angling, only leaving the brood stock to IDFG certified anglers with no fishing by the public.

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