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Lud Martinson

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Does anyone here know some one in the dry bag building business?  I don't mean NRS or Patagonia or Sagebrush so much as a person that's just starting out and willing to listen and maybe capitalize on a couple designs that IMO make more sense than what's out there currently.
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Lud,

I would think that approaching the three you mention ( Sagebrush most of all) would make more sense than approaching someone smaller or just starting out. I'm not sure that a smaller operation ( or one man operation even) has the financing to experiment and eventually bring your unique designs to market. The 3 you mention already spend more on innovation and new designs than all of the small businesses combined. Plus, the one man show already has his own designs that he/she think are the best. Make sense?

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While I always value the advice of the "hated banker" this morning when I read the opening post of this thread my first thought was why not start your own business using your designs.
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While I always value the advice of the "hated banker" this morning when I read the opening post of this thread my first thought was why not start your own business using your designs.


Always the voice of reason. My response was exactly because of my banking background and an inability to think outside of the box. I agree, bring it to marlet yourself!

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Not a bad idea  but I have too many things on the plate as it is and no desire to tool up and compete in a field I know little about.  I've approached the guys I mentioned previously with little interest shown.  There may be a very good reason for that [smile]  but I still maintain that a small guy that's geared up might find a niche.
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Lud, are you trying to sell your ideas or just share them?  Might make a difference in the receptiveness of the maker.  Also, a thought crossed my mind--if you share your ideas publicly and enough agree with them, suddenly you've got a number of voices advocating the design instead of just one.  
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Gene,
  No secret.
  Anyone that has read some of my posts over on S Pages knows that I'm comfortable with folding top dry bags that when properly folded are submersible.  The same goes for hip or fanny packs.  I guess the simplicity of the product is what I like most.  Zippers have their place of course but are tough on cold, arthritic hands.  Zippers vs folding tops...both camps have a following.
  My go to means of carrying gear is with a fanny pack.  Identical to the old Simms Roll top.  Why they quit making them is beyond me.  They, similar to the other guys mentioned, have no interest in resurrecting models from the past.
  The old model could use a little sprucing up.  A little tighter to the back - more compact and not hanging out there so much.  The small zippered pockets left and right should go away.  In their place  an elastic mesh pocket for a water bottle.  A spot for a set of pliers on the other hip.  Simple, watertight and not through the roof expensive.
  Through the last decade or so I've probably spent more time on the water handling oars than anything else.  No complaints.  Being out there is what it's all about for me.  When I'm away from the boat and changing weather patterns appear to be the way it's going to be all day I like to take along a small pack for rain jackets and other guys gear, etc.  When the pack gets some weight in it my lower lumbar (L4, L5) area starts talking to me.  The reason is that all roll top dry bags with shoulder straps that I've found are too long when wearing a fanny pack and the pressure coupled with the fanny pack located comfortably over your kidney area becomes a real pain.  One solution, of course is to walk the boat along and pick up any discarded gear as you go but, as we all know each run is a little different.  My solution would be to have a pack that was shorter.  And maybe a little wider than normal?  At any rate, short enough so it would never rest on the fanny pack.  Again, simple and watertight.
  I could care less about the $$ situation.  In fact, if only one combo of pack and fanny pack was made at a reasonable rate (and shipped to me[smile]) I would be a happy camper.
  Given that it's impossible to find a used Simms roll top - they are snatched up almost immediately - I would think this would become a standard combo for winter steelheaders and anyone who feels that keeping his gear dry is imperative.
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Why they quit making them is beyond me. 


They (along with most every other tackle manufacturer) quit making it because their main goal is to get people to buy new stuff whether it's better or not. Sometimes I'm totally astounded by the new stuff that comes out to fix something that was never broke.

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Yep, pretty funny, pretty sad.
  I was talking to my brother in law the other day.  He sold his new Tundra after scoring another "nice ride".  I asked him what the difference was.  He said hardly any - both are white, have four wheels and go down the road sort of the same.  His current model:  72 300hp six Ford.
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I'd say he has the better deal. I can still work on a '72 Ford but I certainly can't do much work on any of the new stuff.
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Lud,
In reading your post, it sounds like you are primarily not satisfied with the current options in the backpack type bags?  I'm curious what bag(s?) you currently use.  I forget the exact model, but I have a smallish Watershed pack that I like, and I believe they have a smaller version as well.  I'm not really a fan of wearing any backpacks while fishing personally so I haven't used it for that (too big and bulky for me).  One of the issues that I've found with most drybags is that they just don't seem to have the fit for more long term use.  Fine for a short walk to/from a boat/camp/car, but not really sufficient for hours of carrying. 

I would say that as far as what kind type of seal the bag has would vary a lot for me depending on it's intended use.  I trust *some* roll top bags for quick short immersions, and I figure if a bag is immersed for any longer while I'm fishing I probably have bigger problems than wet stuff...  On the other hand, I do find that the zippers, or the Watershed "ziplock" type seal is a lot more reliable at staying dry under a wider range of situations.  
Good luck on finding someone to work with,  as I think there's still lots of room for improvements 
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Jason,
  I've been using NRS products for over a decade.  Great stuff for relatively cheap.  Their Bill's Bag (2.2) has been my go to pack(s).  I keep one handy in the boat with a fresh set of dry fleece in the event that some one takes an unplanned bath.  I have a second bag on board for my personal stuff.  On multi day drifts I use one for sleeping bag and pad, etc and another for clothes and personal stuff.  By themselves these work very well.  Obviously there are better designs out there for multi day use but that's not what I'm looking for. 
  I can't recall when I first started using fanny packs for fishing.  I've had several vests, all seemed to drag on the shoulders.  So when Simms came out with their roll top version with a padded belt I thought this is the new Corvette!  This is going to be around forever.  Well, not so.
  I'm at the point where my old roll top has finally given up - almost ten years of heavy use.  No complaints.  I'm just having a tough time going to zippers.  I have to make a decision by fall.  The issue of dry packs still being too long and resting on the top of the fanny pack remains.
  So, what if someone that is geared up to weld pvc or similar decided to.....and instead of using expensive zippers...
 
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Hi Lud,

Not sure this will fill your need, but here's a rolltop waist pack.

http://www.overboardusa.com/waterproof-waist-pack-yellow.html

I have a rolltop backpack from this company. Seems to be a quality piece, but I have not had it long enough to say one way or the other.

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At a glance it looks pretty good and the price is certainly good but it would appear that it's out of stock, for the present anyways.
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Thanks Brian!
OVERBOARD!  Ya gotta love that!  Hmmm...maybe not so much but the products they have sure seem to fit the bill.  I couldn't get their site to come up this morning but just now got there.
  Poppy, yes, out of stock.   
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