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Brian Foster

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Recently picked up my first Sharpe's Scottie spliced spey rod (13' #9) and one thing is for sure...these suckers are heavy tipped and require a ton of reel to balance.  I knew it was going to take a lot of reel, but had no idea HOW MUCH reel until I taped it up and hung 24 oz of full reel on the rod and the tip promptly dropped straight to the floor.  Hmmm...gotta be a solution other than holding above the cork.  So, got to talking with another member and he and I bounced some ideas around.  Short of paying a machine shop a couple hundred bucks to machine a counter balance I couldn't come up with an easy solution...until I decided to Google "brass b*lls"...literally.  And what popped up was an absolutely perfect solution at a reasonable cost.  Turns out threaded brass balls are available in multiple diameters and threads.  Amazing how little brass it takes to create a bunch of weight.  I settled on a 1 1/2" diameter (weighs 8oz) drilled and tapped 1/2'-13 as the thread for the Scottie butt turned out to be 10x1.50 and I figured I would have enough space around a 10x1.50 stud within the 1/2-13 tapped hole to provide an epoxy bond.  Well, back to my local Ace Hardware today and messing with options and threads and lucked out with a retired machinist who still has a shop as my Ace Hardware red vest wearing helper and the guy proceeds to break out his machinist tools and measures thread, pitch, etc and says "I'll just machine you a thread to thread transition in my shop out of brass".  Floored me...and Ace always amazes me with the experience level of their employees.  In any event, mid week this week he will be doing exactly that and I'll be having him make a couple for me for future rods or tweaking as larger or smaller diameter brass is also available.  Now that 15' Sharpes that took 4 pounds of reel to balance just might have a better chance of getting fished.  Here are a few pics of what I was putting together in preparation prior to meeting my machinist today.  Will post more as the project comes to completion.  I know from my searches that there are others out there struggling with this dilemma and for under $75 this seems to be a perfect match when it's all said and done and will look cosmetically appealing (and functional).  Threads will stay the same to retain original integrity of rod.

Original Scottie Rubber Butt


1 1/2" Tapped & Threaded Brass Ball


Brass Ball Positioned at Scottie Butt - May leave 1/4 - 3/16" of solid brass in between butt and brass for cosmetics.


Original idea was this automotive stud epoxied in to the threaded ball and screwed in to the Scottie.  The brass thread to thread conversion will be so much better and 100% on versus an epoxy set.


More pics to come later this week.  This should effectively take 10 oz off of the reel required to balance the rod?  Will see what the end result is and will update the thread.  Hope this is helpful to some.
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Thanks Brian,
I have a 14' Sharpes with exactly the same problems. I will be anxiously awaiting to see your finished product. Looks like a real nice fix that you have got started here.
Keep us updated please .
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Will post follow up Dan.  I think there are many rods just sitting as guys struggle with the tip heavy nature of them.  If I recall correctly...we're practically neighbors and we met at Poppy's Clave a year or so ago.  You're on the Mussellshell?
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great fix I went with lead core under my backing for a 14' ferruled scottie also are the threads on the but cap left or right handed? thanks
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What I've never understood is that even back in the day, vintage reels like Hardy Perfects in the large sizes, such as 4 1/2" or 4 1/4" didn't weigh 24oz.  So did anglers just have a different expectation, such as holding the rod above the cork?  Was that the typical style?
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the guy I got my 14' scottie from said he fished a Von Hoff 6/0 and one other member at this site says he fishes a Farlow 4-5/8" on his spliced scottie.and those are monster reels they look like deep sea reels with a misplaced handles  google 'em and see for your self 
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I've owned 5 of the 13'-9/10 3 piece spliced joint Sharpes rods. I mostly used Salmon #3 or 4" Perfects on these rods. At first them being tip heavy on the swing bothered me some but the huge brass reel that I tried bothered me more. I just finally lived with it by holding the rod above the cork.

I've played around with the brass butt knob conversion as noted above and decided for me the extra weight was not a benefit to my overall angling experience when using these rods.

I will say these Sharpes spliced rods are a good deal for a person wanting to see what cane is about while swinging for steel.



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Hi

I am new to the forum and just wanted to join in.

The post mentioned the Farlow's reels being large, they are. I used a Farlow's Serpent wide and narrow spool on my Sharpe's cane Salmon fly rod, each reel had a different line and one being greased, still got them. I have the Farlow's Cobra Salmon reel as well but its still brand new in the box from the 60's. These are part of my collection.

Good information here and I am sure I will learn new techniques and ideas.

Dan
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Dan,
Just thought I would save you a little time in your research. The automotive stuff that you're looking for will come from a triumph motorcycle wheel. American threads do not fit the Sharpes handle. The threads are European. I created a counterbalance similar to Brian's but the rod combination was just too heavy for me to handle. I went from the 14' Sharpes to a 12' Sharpes and my 4 1/2" Robertson Straun balances it fine without the counterbalance. Good luck.
Dan Gillen

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Take my advice and be very careful using screw in weights.   The butt-caps on these rods are notoriously weak and inclined to split - even under normal use.  There is nothing that can be done at that end without modifying the rod right down to the bamboo.    A 4" perfect is just about right on a 13', a 41/2" on a 14'.   A 15' you just have to accept as being unbalanced in today's terms.   But if you can learn to overcome the balance problem and fish with them as top-heavy rods there are few nicer rods to use.   Also they were designed for traditional single and double-spey casters using DT lines...NOT for the great variety of casts now being used.   [That is not to say that the spliced Sharps will not perform most of them!]
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