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Jason Bates

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  Excellent Darryl, 
I look forward to reading those both later.  Btw, I hope you didn't take my post to be contradicting the validity of the content, or viewpoints in any way.  Quite the contrary, I do agree in general with what has been posted in opposition to hatcheries.  Nor was I meaning to question the knowledge of the biologist in the vid, I just meant that I didn't think what was put forth in the vid went into sufficient detail to be entirely convincing to someone who wasn't already kind of on board with that perspective.  That could also have just been my perception.  I tend to be a bit of a cynic ...

Either way, thanks again for the posts and sharing the info.

JB
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http://wildfishconservancy.org/about/press-room/press-releases/lawsuit-settlement-big-advance-for-wild-steelhead-recovery
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http://westseattleblog.com/2014/12/when-do-more-fish-fewer-fish-author-dylan-tomine-tells-the-steelhead-saga-at-west-seattles-emerald-water-anglers/
Rick Jorgensen

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A couple of months ago I got to meet John McMillan (Bill's son) at our recent Ca Trout Unlimited annual meeting. John was recently hired by TU and is a renown fishery biologist with a great deal of knowledge about fish in general and the impacts of hatcheries and needless to say they are not good - even where only wild fish are used for egg collection (ie one generation removed). One big reason is a lot more eggs from just one wild fish are allowed to reach the stage where they are released whereas relatively few juveniles from each naturally spawned fish will make it each year - thus allowing for much better wide spread genetics being passed down.

He is enough of a realist to know that hatcheries will not go away anytime soon but perhaps we should be targeting systems where wild fish still have a strong presence and do what we can to protect those runs and maybe let other rivers continue with hatcheries at least for the time being. It is all about education and working with folks from all sides to reach a consensus - it can't be an us vs. them mentality as this rarely solves issues
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interesting non-lethal impacts of fish out of water

http://wildsteelheadcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Wet-Wild-24.75-X-16.pdf
rick humphrey

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Originally Posted by Dave Green No,what I'm saying,or trying to say at least,is that it is partly because of legal retention that hatchery fish are presently required to satisfy the enormous angling pressure.With 100% C&R,a lot of pressure is relieved as many anglers lose interest in fishing for a species that they can't kill.That,and C&R only regs hardly make sense in a fishery where bait is permitted,so a bait ban and gear restrictions to single barbless hooks(not necesarily fly only?) could weed out even more anglers.Yes,it reeks of FF elitism,but the alternative as it is to either swing flies over hatchery fish or swing flies over rocks in many cases,the natural production of wild fish can't supply the demand of actually having enough fish in the system that anglers stand a reasonable chance of hooking one once in awhile. I'm afraid it's a bit too late to leave well enough alone or restraint in our human reproduction,but we can still do something about our consumption.[/QUOTE


Well stated. That describes the status of  my home river (Quinsam) to a "T". We are presently considering many options to restore our once-legendary steelhead fishery.
Excellent discussion on this forum...Thanks for the insights.

The sad irony is this: In all our efforts to help steelhead, if it weren't for us, steelhead wouldn't need any help at all.
 
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